Maximal
Jan 7 2009, 02:07 AM
Let's discuss Lavi's Innoncence - The Hammer and what other techniques it would have. Besides the physical weapon itself - extending the hammer, enlarging and shrinking the hammer, the hammer could also control and release elemental seals and combine different seals into attack techniques.
SilverTwinZ
Jan 7 2009, 09:35 PM
I've ever seen the"Earth seal" and the "Water Seal" in vol.4-5
but Lavi never uses all these two seal before.
Nah...~~ I wanna know that Tessui would have more ability!
Nekero
Jan 8 2009, 01:19 AM
Hnn.. In the filler in the Anime Lavi uses a seal; the one he used in the boat to Edo when they get attacked by Akumas.
I don't remember which one that's called (Don't kill me T__T) But that one too o o.
Maximal
Jan 8 2009, 01:55 AM
In the Ark, Lavi used the Wood Seal, right? Or is that the Earth Seal? Uh, what's the Water Seal like? The Combo Seal is the combination of Fire Seal and what? I am totally confused.
SilverTwinZ
Jan 8 2009, 10:12 PM
Yes, he use "The earth seal" to fine the key easily.but
the earth seal and the water seal haven't used yet.
The combo seal is the combination of Fire Seal and the lightning seal.(I'm not sure because in my language this seal is translated to "Heaven seal")
Maximal
Jan 9 2009, 02:07 AM
^I thought that is the Wood Seal? The Earth and Water Seal are not used before, right?
So can anyone name all the Seal Lavi's Hammer have?
Nekero
Jan 9 2009, 02:29 AM
I think the signs rotating Lavi is those elements he can use o_o.
What I know of, it's Heaven/lightening, Earth and Water. he either uses them seperately or combine them. *captain obvious >>*
Sadly, I don't know japanese, so I don't know what the rest of them is D:
Maximal
Jan 9 2009, 02:18 PM
So perhaps when Lavi get stronger, then he can use other Seals or he could already use but choses not to?
I wonder how would the hammer evolve?
SilverTwinZ
Jan 9 2009, 06:18 PM
@Max : Very sorry, I'm wrong. It's wood seal. @_@ *confused*
There are about 4-5 question mark seals, These are unknown seals right?
As far as I know, there are :
Hi Ban : Fire seal
Ten Ban : heaven seal / Lightning seal
Ki Ban : Wood seal
and two seals remaining, Earth seal and Water seal.(I don't know what these two seals are called in Japanese:( )
Maximal
Jan 9 2009, 08:19 PM
Nah, it's ok. I am confused myself. Controlling elements is very powerful. Control element = control nature = control many things.
Julye_chan
Jan 17 2009, 11:30 PM
I'm late D:
And Lavi IS strong. Just that he hasn't used all of his full strength.
Maximal
Jan 18 2009, 03:31 AM
^Yea, he hasn't even use the full power of the hammer but I think his level is much lower to defeat a Level 3 Akuma. Though he is a Bookman, really hope to see Lavi unleash all the seals of the hammer.
lirejab
Jan 19 2009, 04:49 PM
Maybe his hammer would never evolve. It would be weird seeing Lavi without the hammer in his hand.
Maybe only the element would evolve. Maybe at first he only know how to use an element and combining 2 together. Maybe the two seals have not been awaken, who knows.
Maybe in the future he could use the 5 seals and combine them together at the same time.
My predictions on Lavis's hammer evolve.
1. Seals attach themselves to Lavi's hammers, so next time Lavi doesn't have to unlock the seals before using it.
2. The hammer could damage thinngs in long range, meanin, he doesn't have to hit his victim to use the seal.
4. He could control things related to the element like trees and sand, river, ocean, fire, explosion. If indeed Hoshino-sensei has in mind for Lavi, wow, he sure has a powerful weapon.
Guys, don't you think that Lavi's hammer function like the rod of the Monkey King? It could go long and small like that.
I have this crazy idea that Lavi's could use his heaven seal to make a cloud like Goku.
Maximal
Jan 20 2009, 12:15 AM
Ha ha, you really have interesting theory there. I assume something better for Lavi. (Julye-chan is going to love me for this. XP)
I was thinking with the hammer evolved, Lavi could summon elemental beings like guardians to fight stronger Akumas or Noahs while he still can use the hammer to unleash the full power of all seals either combination or individually to destroy the Akumas. He would in fact control all elements as oppose to Tykki's control of vaccum or space. Perhaps Lavi's hammer won't evolve into a different type but it would be good to see the hammer become something stronger. Like what you say, create clouds, make tree grows, make the earth shakes, the volcano erupts, make tidal waves or storm .... Oops, I guess Lavi would be too powerful.
lirejab
Jan 20 2009, 01:51 AM
Yeah, and Lavi's fans would be so full of themselves if they read this. But indeed, he could be more powerful if he has the control over nature.
So far no exorcists have this kind of power.. er.. wait.. maybe only Kanda's sensei.. what is his name? But he could only use it to protect not attack.
Maximal
Jan 20 2009, 02:35 AM
General Tiedoll? He could create giant creature but Lavi's would be elemental guardians. With such guardians, Lavi can command them to attack or defend. WoW, the power of nature ... such awesome power.
lirejab
Jan 21 2009, 04:04 AM
But, I don't think Hoshino-sensei would make Lavi that powerful. He would overshadow Allen as the main character.
Maximal
Jan 21 2009, 01:54 PM
Yeap, I think so too because Lavi is a Bookman and being an Exorcist is a side job. He wouldn't allow himself to focus so much on being a powerful Exorcist unless the circumstances force him to. Overshadowing Allen as the main character? Wouldn't be possible if Lavi becomes more powerful, his role would still be similar to Kanda.
Julye_chan
Jan 21 2009, 04:34 PM
And I-the diehard fan of Lavi-is reading this. And I TOTALLY AGREE THAT HE IS POWERFUL HIMSELF!
Not that because I'm his fan, but I personally think he didn't use all of his full strength because he isn't allowed to be attached too anything, even his Innocence. That's what Bookman has warned him.
Once he becomes too attached to his Innocence, they will have to leave the Order.
Maximal
Jan 22 2009, 02:54 AM
If he abandoned being a Bookman, then he would be a great and powerful Exorcist.
lirejab
Jan 22 2009, 03:41 AM
Even though Bookman keeps reminding Lavi that he's a bookman, in the end, he always choses to fight for his friends.
I think the one who's influence him is Allen, and maybe sometime Lenalee.
Maybe he would break the Bookman tradition - no attach.
Maximal
Jan 22 2009, 03:08 PM
But if he does break the Bookman's tradition, can he be still allowed to be in the Black Order? I don't think Lavi would want Bookman to be sad. Afterall the hammer could be just a normal equipment type Innoncence but not that powerful and that is why it suits Lavi. Maybe?
lirejab
Jan 24 2009, 03:38 AM
The only reason a Bookman weapon can't evolve is that they don't not involve much in a fight, which make the weapon unworthy to be more stronger.
It's kind of unreasonable for a bookman to have an innocence without using much of it.
Well, who's the first Bookman making this kind of rule? I believe the first Bookman was a coward for doing it.
Wait... would it be that Lavi and Bookman are the only people in the clan that receive Innocences?
Heck, it should give them an exemption from the rule, right?
Maximal
Jan 24 2009, 01:37 PM
We missed out something important: Synchronisation Rate and perhaps there could be a selection criteria that Innoncence has of choosing its host (not too sure but seem possible).
Besides chances of becoming a suitable host for Innoncence and becoming a Bookman, which is more possible?
Anyway back to Lavi having the hammer, perhaps it would be history made if a Bookman can become a General Exorcist. And Lavi would be more possible.
lmori-chanl
Apr 16 2009, 11:28 AM
never saw the water seal yet, and the wood seal (i think). I was wondering about the question marks when i saw this posted question. I think there are more elements yet to come. cant wait!
Rei
Apr 16 2009, 08:53 PM
Sorry to interrupt, but Lavi's wood seal is moku ban not ki ban and his innocence named Tettsui not Tessei.
Maximal
Apr 25 2009, 06:40 PM
Oh is it? I didn't know it's wrong, I followed the Wiki. I wonder how many element seals can Lavi's Hammer summon. And it seems some of the seals are techniques and some are attack skills.
Julye_chan
Apr 25 2009, 10:43 PM
About Lavi's Tettsui~
His anti-Akuma weapon is a size-shifting hammer, which he calls "O-dzuchi Kodzuchi" or called "Nyoibo". It can grow or extend. His hammer can also summon several "judgments" with kanji possibly representing the classical elements that can be used individually or combined.
However, between each letter is a question mark. This means Lavi either has more attacks that he hasn't learned or that he doesn't know that he had the attack all together. It was shown when Bookman told Lavi to use the wood seal to clear the clouds (Three Akuma were hiding behind the clouds). Lavi stated that he forgot he could use it to affect nature directly, and as he remembered it the question mark turned into a kanji that he used right away. His techniques so far, are:
» Gouka Kaijin: Hi Ban (, lit. Conflagration of Ash: Fire Seal): using the fire seal to create a torrent of flames with the form of a snake;
» Raitei Kaiten: Ten Ban (, lit. Thundering Lightning Whirling in the Skies: Heaven Seal): using the heaven seal to liberate an immense lightning;
» Tenchi Bankai: Moku Ban (, lit. Roots Entwining Heaven and Earth: Wood Seal): using the wood seal to control objects in nature;
» Conbo Ban: Gouraiten (, lit. Combo Seal: Strong Thunder of the Heavens) :using both fire and heaven seals to create a huge snake of fire and iron.
Maximal
Apr 25 2009, 11:20 PM
Thank you Jul for giving us a lesson Lavi's Hammer.
By the way, why did you copy the entire bio from Wiki?? O_O
Julye_chan
Apr 25 2009, 11:44 PM
I found it on a Lavi site for a while ago. Oh, yeah I know it was up on Wiki too. Forgot to credit, actually I always credited every time I used their info. I can write one too but I'm pretty lazy ^^;;;
And the information there is pretty precise, there's no need for me to do it anyway.
Maximal
Apr 25 2009, 11:54 PM
Hmmm yes it is quite precise and detailed.
Well just that it didn't mention:
Lavi likes to ride on the Hammer, extending it from one place to another.
Lavi likes to shrink the Hammer to pocket size and hang it by his belt.
Lavi's Hammer could physically smash or damage Akumas.
Lavi used the Hammer to combine attacks with Krory, using massive swings to increase Krory's velocity in speed attacks.
Did I mention too much? o__o
Julye_chan
Apr 26 2009, 01:01 PM
Nope. But they're more like a matter of fact.
Maximal
Apr 26 2009, 02:03 PM
QUOTE (Julye_chan @ Apr 27 2009, 11:06 AM)

Nope. But they're more like a matter of fact.
Huh? Which of those in the description given aren't matter of fact? The techniques are, in fact the incident on the ship is too. Don't quite get what you mean.
EmoLove93 Kanata-Lover
Sep 3 2009, 05:43 AM
lavi`s Innoncence is so cool!
just like it..
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